Interview 2

   

 

A LAW ENFORCEMENT/EDUCATION AGENT

 

This man has worked for the police for a number of years, and currently combines his law enforcement role with drug education for the public, including schools and youth organisations. In essence, the roles of law enforcement have become fused together, rather than being separate entities. Many groups within society rely on the police to educate them on issues such as heroin, and it is these groups that also expect the police to enforce the law by arresting heroin addicts.

 

HAVE YOU NOTICED AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF HEROIN ADDICTS IN THIS TOWN OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS? AND IF SO TO WHAT EXTENT?

The answer is yes, definitely. 10 years ago there was hardly any, and I am talking about from the policing side of things. There was not much heroin on the streets then, but now it is the biggest concern in XXXXXX. I would say that the number of people who use heroin has probably quadrupled in the last 10 years.

 

THAT MUST BE BASED ON OFFICIAL POLICE STATISTICS, BASED ON WHO YOU ARREST. TO WHAT EXTENT DO YOU THINK THERE IS A HIDDEN POPULATION?

That’s very difficult to answer. We don’t just arrest heroin users for possession of heroin or intent to supply. They get arrested for other crimes and it is very difficult for me to say to you that x amount of heroin users have been arrested for burglary, theft, criminal damage. . .Drug users have got to support their drug habits somehow.

 

I WAS TOLD THERE WERE ABOUT 1500 USERS AND ADDICTS IN THIS TOWN. IS THIS FIGURE REALISTIC?

I just don’t know. As far as the police are concerned we now have a full time drug councilor working at the police station. We may be able to produce the sort of figures you want. Passing through the cells each year there are probably about 3000 in the XXXXXXX area. . .and at least ¾ of those have got some sort of drug habit, but whether it is heroin or not, it may be other drug abuse. I just don’t know.

 

WOULD YOU SAY THAT XXXXXXX IS IN THE GRIPS OF A HEROIN EPIDEMIC?

I don’t think just XXXXXXXX, I think the whole country is in the grips of a heroin epidemic.

 

WOULD YOU SAY THAT A MORAL PANIC ACCOMPANIES THIS PHENOMENON?

I would have to say that 2 years ago there was a great panic, but now it has turned into something that is a lot more controlled, and people are working, different agencies and voluntary groups are trying to make people understand heroin, that is what its all about and also enforcing it in a different way as well. I don’t think there is a panic now, I think there is a great concern and I think that society and the community have got a right to be concerned.

 

THE XXXXXXX JOURNAL HAS SHOWN A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF ARTICLES RELATED TO HEROIN, AND IT IS STILL INCREASING YEAR AFTER YEAR?

I'm not surprised because it is the drug that causes most concern nation-wide-because there is so much of it on our streets.

 

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT (SCHEMATIC MODEL SHOWN) WOULDN’T YOU SAY THAT THE PANIC CAUSED IS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE DRAMATIC INCREASE IN ARTICLES?

A lot of people are influenced by the media. I don’t like the word panic; I like the word concern and I think there is a lot of concern about the use of heroin, not just of the effect on the user, but the effect on the community as well. I think the local paper may over highlight sometimes, but there is a concern within the community. That increase in the Journal certainly shows it, but I wouldn’t call it a panic.

 

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS THE MAIN CAUSE OF THE INCREASE?

I think it’s the drug being more readily available to be honest. As I say, 10 years ago there was heroin on he streets of XXXXXXX, but it wasn’t readily available and the cost was a lot more than it is now. Now there is more on the streets and the cost has significantly come down. It’s only about a fiver for a tenth of a gram now.

 

WHAT ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE PUSHER/PEER PRESSURE?

That all comes into it, but if you don’t have the availability of the drug in the first place the people are not going to be able to use it. But yes peer pressure is a great thing isn’t it.

 

SO IS THE MARKET LEANED MORE TOWARD THE SUPPLY OR DEMAND ASPECT?

I think if it wasn’t heroin it would be something else. Now we are starting to get a lot of cocaine in. I think there is a demand now (heroin) but supply is more than matching that.

 

A LOT OF RESEARCH SUGGESTS THAT HEROIN USE IS A PROGRESSION FROM SMOKING HASH. DO YOU AGREE?

It’s very difficult to be specific. National statistics say that 25% of people who use marijuana, cannabis, whacky baccy, go on to use other substances. Whether that substance is heroin. You could start with amphet and then go on to heroin. But more so now people are using heroin as a first drug . . . which is quite frightening really. But cannabis-yes there is a definite link, Id say that 25% sounds about right.

 

SO YOU ARE GREATLY CONCERNED?

Absolutely.

 

DOES THE LAW LOOK TO PRIMARILY PUNISH OR TREAT THE HEROIN ADDICT?

You have got to say why the law is there first of all-its their to protect the community. It’s not their to either give assistance to the heroin addict or to punish, it is there to protect society. That is the first rule of law enforcement if you like. What we have to do is get the balance right between the punishment of the user and the assistance and help for the user.

BUT HOW DO YOU THINK THE LAW STANDS ON THE TREATMENT ISSUE?

If you mean the law in terms as where the police stand then I think the balance is getting addressed. We now have a drug councilor working full time at the station, who is there and available to give advice and counseling if people want it. If people are arrested for possession, even small quantities of heroin, they will be offered counseling rather than a caution or a court case. So we are working towards helping and assisting the heroin user.

 

THE D.T.T.O. REHABILITATIVE OR PUNISHMENT IDEALS?

I would say that it is 50/50. It is too early to say whether the balance is going to sway one way or the other. It hasn’t been in very long has it.

 

IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO DEAL WITH PUSHERS TO INCARCERATE THEM?

Again it is the situation of the protection of the community isn’t it. When you talk about the pusher do you mean the street pusher, the pusher who gives it to them or the big boy, who is raking in all the money? Lets face it they are only in the heroin trade for the money.

 

THE POLICE CAN’T TOUCH THE ‘BIG BOYS’ THOUGH?

Well we try but it is very difficult. Regarding pushers, we normally deal with street pushers and the middle man . . .At the end of the day we need to get the substances source, where its coming into the town and even the country. A lot is getting in, and the problem is the quality of what’s getting in, and when it hits the streets. That is the danger factor. To answer your question, if we don’t deal with the pusher in terms of imprisonment, then what messages would we be giving to other pushers? There has to be some finality with it. But you can’t just deal with the incarceration of these people; we have to look at their treatment as well.

 

SO WHY DO YOU THINK INDIVIDUALS BECOME INVOLVED WITH HEROIN?

I think with every substance it’s a simple case that we live in a society that wants a quick fix-whatever it is in life you want it to happen right now. Every young person has a situation where they are feeling down, and turn to a drug a lot quicker than they would have done 10 years ago.

 

AT WHAT AGE ARE PEOPLE MOST COMMONLY USING THE DRUG?

That is very difficult to assess. The average age is 15-18 years old. I wouldn’t be surprised if some 13-14 year old kids are using it though.

 

MY RESEARCH INTO HEROIN USE IN SCHOOLS HAS SHOWN THAT AROUND 3% HAVE TAKEN HEROIN. IS THIS SIGNIFICANT?

I would question what their understanding of heroin actually is. I do a lot of schoolwork myself and am involved a lot in the education process and a lot of kids will use ‘heroin’ when they actually mean cannabis. There is a big mix up; there are a lot of street names for substances. As for the figures you’ve shown me I would consider them to be low, they would startle parents, but to me it is low. The figures you show me may be lower, due to misinformation, or they might be higher, but it doesn’t surprise me.

 

DO YOU THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANY NEW TYPES OF LEGISLATION INTRODUCED TO HELP CONTROL THE EPIDEMIC?

First of all, in relation to drug testing on the streets, you have got to make it an offence to actually use the substance, because at the moment offences are supply, intent to supply, manufacture. . . There is no offence for taking heroin unless you are behind the wheel of a car, of which that law came under the misuse of drugs act 1971.

 

DO YOU THINK THAT CURRENT LEGISLATION NEEDS LOOKING AT AGAIN? SHOULD THE POLICE BE GIVEN MORE POWER? ARE THEY RESTRICTED IN WHAT THEY DO?

I don’t think we are because the powers are there, what we don’t have the powers for, such as to blood test someone who is causing hassle on the street in order to find out what substance they had been using. I am very wary about giving the police extra powers that we can’t use, cant enforce. We have powers to stop and search and until legislation makes it an offence for someone to have used heroin, then there is no point.

 

HOW IMPORTANT IS THE ETHOS OF EDUCATION IN COMPARISON TO LAW ENFORCEMENT?

Absolutely crucial. Most of my job entails giving drug awareness education to young people and if we can get young people before they use/are offered an illegal substance then it has got to be better than picking them off the streets when they’ve got a bit of gear in their pockets. Education is more important now because of Keith Halliwell, ‘Making Britain A Safer Place,’ drugwise, over the next 10 years and I think the education authorities and the police have got together and said we must do something. . . .Hence the drug programmes we have in schools.

 

DO YOU SEE THE ROLE OF THE LOCAL PAPER AS AIDING YOUR EDUCATION DRIVE, OR HARMING IT? (SHOWN NUMEROUS ARTICLES FROM THE PAPER)

I don’t think it’s helpful. Heroin is a problem just as much in other areas as it is in the one that the Journal highlights. It is a problem on the Earlsfield and there are users up there, but there are those problems elsewhere. I think the paper has got a responsibility not to terrify people but then again it must report where there is an issue-it needs to get the balance right. I mean ‘HEROIN HELL ON THE EARLSFIELD’ is not a headline I would like to see used again.

 

I ONLY FOUND ONE STORY THROUGHOUT MY REVIEW OF THE PAPER (7 YEARS) THAT LOOKED AT THE PROBLEM FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE USER. DON’T YOU THINK THAT THE PUBLIC IS ONLY SEEING HALF THE PROBLEM?

That half needs to be highlighted because it is a great danger isn’t it-kids have picked up syringes and ended up in hospital . . .Also a lot of them (heroin users) are committing crime to support their habit. The paper has got a responsibility to state the facts, and I do agree with you in that if you can get an angle from a users viewpoint, but the paper still needs to highlight that a lot of drug related crime is committed.

 

DOES THE PAPER WORK CLOSELY WITH THE POLICE?

We have an association with them obviously, and we give them certain facts, when we want something highlighted we will tell them. But we certainly would not give them the headlines you were just telling me about.

 

HOW DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM BEING REMEDIED OR CONTROLLED?

Back to education again, the absolute key, along with other things fitting into place as well. But it’s getting to young people before they use, and highlighting what heroin actually does to you-the good and the bad.

 

BUT WE ARE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN ARE WE. THE REST OF SOCIETY IS NAIVE AND MISINFORMED?

I speak to adult groups as well. You way how are we going to control it, well in the meantime through policing-we will continue to arrest people, deal with people and get them the help they need and also put them through the court system if necessary-all of this is in the short-term. In the long-term it is education.

 

DO YOU THINK THE ‘CONCERN’ MIRRORS THE REALITY OF THE DRUG PROBLEM?

I think the fear of crime is always greater than the actuality. And the headlines in the Journal and things like that strike a lot of fear into people, and because they do not know the truth about the drug and the substance it causes them to worry more, to panic more. Lots of things have to come into place to stop it and I think the concerns are justified, but we have to be careful that we don’t over emphasise those concerns, that they don’t turn into irrational concerns for people.

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